In a message dated 7/13/2007 2:52:15 PM Eastern Daylight
Time, judyannpowell@bellsouth.net writes:
Pastor
Samples,
I have listened to a very disturbing message on the internet in regard to my
son's alleged sins. If only you had talked to me about the so called extortion
of my money you could have gotten the whole actual truth of what happened
concerning my $40,000.
Three years ago I was quite ill, thus I needed medication which
took its toll on my physical and mental strength. I was no longer able to take
care of my home. Rob would come home from working out of town for weekends and
make repairs to my home. But I realized that I could not live alone.So I
asked Rob and Donna if I could move in with them. They agreed to let me become
a member of their family but we would need a bigger house. Donna and I found
this big house which needed completion and some re-designing to a large 18 x 24
foot family room which was perfect for me and my dog with a private entrance.
Rob added a large walk-in closet and dressing room. Down the hall was a
bathroom that had a shower instead of a tub (I could not get in and out of a
tub) which was perfect for me.
We then put our old homes up for sale. After the sale, I gave my
son forty thousand to put down on this larger house to help cover the cost of
buying a bigger house and all of my future expenses since he did not want any
grocery or utility payments from me. I happily became a family member. I
would certainly not call this extortion.
Unfortunately, over the past year, I began taking more pain
medication which has made me difficult to live with at times. Therefore, Donna
and I bickered a bit and over time stopped speaking to each other. Rob was
asking you for help in solving this problem. You suggested separate quarters,
I came up with a better solution and recently removed myself from the pain
medication and Donna and I sat down and talked about our differences. We are
getting along much better.
Rob has been falsely accused. He has always been a thoughtful son,
a good father and loving husband. All he ever wanted was peace in his home and
a place to worship the Lord.
As for your accusation that he has lied before God - Can you
honestly say that you are not a liar? God knows you are, he knows that we are
all liars. You have taken a good man's words, changed and twisted them around,
used confusion to make him appear to be a liar, but God knows the truth. He
knows what you have done. Is your conscience clear? Haven't you lied
before God?
You claim Rob cursed Pastor Hamm's property - But you have cursed
my health in ways that have been embarrassing and rude and I don't even care to
repeat.
Since you have never called or contacted me concerning my health
or the misinformation that you have divulged to the congregation in over three
years up to this Thursday - 7/12/07 - I will no longer consider myself a member
of this church.
Judith Powell
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Pastor Samples’ reply follows this letter.
For a more detailed reply see/hear the sermon 07-15-07 AM:
Wettew fow Wobby -
Pwease Excuse Wobby.
Signed,
Wobby's Mommy
Note:
- The regular words are Mrs. Powell’s letter.
- The bold ones are my (ADS) responses inserted and as sent to her.
- The bold, italic, underlined, or [ ] words WITHIN Mrs. Powell’s letter are MY (ADS) emphasis or additions à AFTER I sent it to Mrs. Powell for my own notes.
- The regular words within my replies to her represent scripture quotations etc.
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In a message dated 7/13/2007 2:52:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, judyannpowell@bellsouth.net writes:
Mrs. Powell,
For the sake of clarity and simplicity I will insert my
reply(ies) within your letter.
I am glad you wrote to me (I didn't know you had an email
address!), because, as you know if you heard the message, I want to express our
continued love in the LORD for you as well as make sure that you know that the
actions of the church last Sunday bear no reflection on you at all, but on
Robby only. I also want you to know that
you are, just as you have been, very welcome here; and, to let you know that if
you ever need anything please call and/or write or just ask at church.
Pastor Samples,
I have listened to a very disturbing message on the internet in regard to my son's alleged sins.
Yes Ma'am, I am sorry that it disturbed you, but I can understand that it would seeing that it is partly about Robby and I know that in your eyes, as it would be in every good and loving mother's eyes, he will always be your little boy.
The sermon, however,
was not about any of Robby's alleged anythings.
It DID contain some of Robby's sins that were admitted and witnessed by Robby himself and were witnessed by at least two additional witnesses making at least three witnesses in every case.
( Matt 18:15-18; &
Deut. 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established. &
II Cor. 13:1 ... In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. )
I do hope that you were able to listen to the entire message, though, and let the LORD speak to you as He did everyone in attendance - that is with conviction. The LORD met with us last Sunday and dealt with US about OUR sins while we were obeying the LORD re: Robby. It was a blessed time in the LORD of repentance, getting right with God, and thankfulness.
If only you had talked to me about the so called extortion of my money you could
have gotten the whole actual truth of what happened concerning my $40,000.
Yes Ma'am. We
don't think, nor did I say that Robby extorted your $40,000.00.
We know that you gave it to him to take care of you just
like you say in the rest of this, your letter.
Also, Mrs. Powell, you may not remember, but three weeks
ago at church Pastor Hamm at my direction DID talk to you and let you know that
if you need ANYTHING, just tell us and that we did NOT approve of how Robby was
treating you etc… nor of his plans re: you et al.
This point makes me wonder if you actually heard the whole message or even any of it at all. ? In fact, this point and the rest of your letter (vocabulary, syntax, style, content, etc... ) doesn't really sound like you to me and makes me wonder if you are really the one "behind" these words and causes me to speculate that possibly “Robby & Co.” are telling you what I said in the message or playing parts out of context; and/or even further, telling you what to think and write. In my opinion, it makes me fear that you do not feel comfortable to speak freely due some possible coercion (even if it seems to be "positive").
I hope that this not true, and it may not be; but, if it
is and you would ever wish to talk to me or anyone else without "Robby
& Co." let me know and I will do my best to help you arrange it.
Three years ago I was quite ill, thus I needed medication which took its toll on my physical and mental strength. I was no longer able to take care of my home. Rob would come home from working out of town for weekends and make repairs to my home. But I realized that I could not live alone.So I asked Rob and Donna if I could move in with them. They agreed to let me become a member of their family [ALREADY a MOTHER!] but we would need a bigger house. Donna and I found this big house which needed completion and some re-designing to a large 18 x 24 foot [ Rob said 18 x 30] family room which was perfect for me and my dog with a private entrance. Rob added a large walk-in closet and dressing room. Down the hall was a bathroom that had a shower instead of a tub (I could not get in and out of a tub) which was perfect for me.
Yes, Ma'am.
We then put our old homes up for sale. After the sale, I gave my son forty
thousand to put down on this larger house to help cover the cost of buying a bigger house and all of my future expenses since he did not want any grocery or utility payments from me. I happily became a family member. [ALREADY a MOTHER!] I would certainly not call this extortion.
No, Ma’am, neither would we.
Unfortunately, over the past year, I began taking more pain medication which has
made me difficult to live with at times. Therefore, Donna and I bickered a bit and over time stopped speaking to each other. Rob was asking you for help in solving this problem. You suggested separate quarters, [ No, I didn’t] I came up with a better solution and recently removed myself from the pain medication and Donna and I sat down and talked about our differences. We are getting along much better.
Yes, Ma’am.
That “bickering” and stuff is quite normal and you need
not feel guilty or badly in any way about it.
I told Robby this.
I did NOT suggest to him “separate quarters”.
I suggested that he make a way for y’all to have living
areas that could be separate when needed to be to accommodate
those inevitable and uncomfortable periods of disagreement and yet “together”
as it has been the rest of the time – that is à to make a way for his
family and for you to be independent when it was desirous. Specifically I suggested for him to make it
possible for you to have your own, private bathroom, and a stove, and a
refrigerator, and a washer/dryer, etc.
HE (Robby) turned that into many things including cutting
you off from the rest of the house completely, or hoping you would leave/move
out, or putting you in a camper in the back.
WE do NOT agree with him in any of these things and are
in fact against him and no longer keep company with him because of this type of
covetousness as well as the other sins in the sermon.
Again, you should not feel guilty or badly in any
way. You haven’t done anything wrong.
Rob has been falsely accused. He has always been a thoughtful son, a good
father and loving husband. All he ever wanted was peace in his home and a place to worship the Lord.
Yes, Ma'am.
and
Amen then to all but the first sentence and the words
"always", "all" and "ever".
Tell Robby that if he wants to get right with God and
repent of his covetousness etc. to give me a call or write, or come to church.
He is not falsely accused. I suggest that you listen to the whole sermon.
As for your accusation that he has lied before God - Can you honestly say that
you are not a liar? God knows you are, he knows that we are all liars. You have taken a good man's words, changed and twisted them around, used confusion to make him appear to be a liar, but God knows the truth. He knows what you have done. Is your conscience clear? Haven't you lied before God?
Yes, Ma'am, we are all liars.
You should know, though, that ROBBY said that he was lying many times about many things - including "before the LORD" - and he does NOT repent of them -- according to Robby.
You should really listen to the whole sermon.
I have added to the end of this email a copy of the letter I read in the sermon and that I sent to Robby. All should be clear.
Just to make sure you understand, let me remind you (as I explained in the sermon) that the ONLY thing at issue re: any/all of Robby's sins is that ROBBY says that he will NOT repent or get right with God or even come to church or even take the matter before the church and let the least among the church judge the matter.
These are mostly matters/sins that you would not know about (and that is fine); but, according to the Bible, the church must not company with Robby unless he gets right with God.
Further, the Bible instructs me to deliver Robby to Satan which I have done; therefore, when it comes to Robby, at this specific time, I am "out of my jurisdiction" so to speak. You would have to take up these matters with Satan or God.
You claim Rob cursed Pastor Hamm's property
- But you have cursed my health in
ways that have been
embarrassing and rude and I don't even care to repeat.
No, Ma'am, I did not,
and
if anything even sounded like I did -- I apologize.
I have tried to think of what you're referring to and cannot, BUT rest assured that I (and we) only think well of you and pray and hope the best for you in every way.
Since you have never called or contacted me
concerning my health or the
misinformation [not true] that you have divulged [not her words … ?] to the congregation in over three years up to this
Thursday - 7/12/07 - I will no longer consider myself a member of this church.
Judith Powell
No, Ma'am. That is not true.
In fact, every time (except for any exceptions that I
cannot remember) that I talk to you I inquire after your health. In the same way, in the oft times you have
had to miss church, I have inquired after your health and Robby has told us
that you were ill as you stated yourself in this very email.
I have often (especially when you went through a time a
while back when you couldn't come to church for a long time) sent messages to
you through Robby and Donna inquiring after your health and offering any help
that we (the church or myself) could give;
and,
dear Mrs. Powell, I'm sure you may not remember that I
called you during that same time and talked with you about your health, comforted
you, and offered our help again etc.
You have been constantly in our prayers at church
specifically for your health. It is
common knowledge and as I have said in this letter, we pray and hope only the best
for you regarding your health in general.
I pray that the LORD will use this response to help you
and clarify some things for you.
1. Robby is
delivered to Satan and the church no longer companies with him unless he gets
right with God.
2. We love you and
pray for you and want only good things for you and want for you to be treated
fairly and honorably (which we would fix if we could but we can't).
3. You need not
feel guilty or badly about any thing as you have done nothing wrong; and, you
should know that you can call or write at any time and are welcome at church at
any time.
For the Whole Counsel of God,
Pastor
Samples
Ps
12:6,7
I confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. (I John
4:2)
Rev 3:2 Be
watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I
have not found thy works perfect before God.
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Below is a copy of the letter to Robby.
July
08,2007
Bro. Robert Keim,
Your personal, witnessed,
confirmed, stated (your last declarations being on 7-6-07) decisions re: all of
the following sins etc… AND your verbally affirmed determination to continue in
said sins has caused us to obey the LORD in the actions set forth below. Know
that all have sinned (Rom. 3:23) and fellowship etc. could be maintained if you
would but repent and get right with God with godly sorrow (II Cor. 7:10); but,
you have refused all confession (I John 1:9) or to even take the matter before
the church (I Cor. 6).
Therefore, because you have
and are currently maintaining the following sins:
Sowing discord among brethren
(Proverbs 6:17-19),
Privatelyaccusing elders (I
Timothy 5:19),
Bearing false witness repeatedly
(breaking the 9th Commandment – Exodus20:16)
(Prov. 6:17-19,
Ps. 101:7, Col.3:9) including against elders (see above),
Lying to the Holy Ghost,
tempting the Spirit of the Lord (“before God”)(see Acts 5),
Blasphemy including blaming God
for your sins (I Timothy 1:19, 20), and
Honouring not your mother (Matt.
15:4-6) (breaking the 5thCommandment
– Ex. 20:12)
as well as being one who by pronouncement and resolution to continue in specific sins is described in I Corinthians 5 as:
Covetous (repeatedly breaking the
10th Commandment and being such to an
extreme that includes
defrauding your own mother – Matt. 15:4-6) and
An Extortioner (including the use of lies
about the pastor and the church re: their
position in the matter of
your mother’s property, care, problems with your
wife, etc. in order to
further your intimidation of your mother
– Proverbs 28:24);
And, because our instructions
in the same passage (I Cor. 5) are clear and plain,
We herein declare:
1.
We have no part with you and are in fact against you in your
covetousness
toward and extortion of
your mother. (Ephesians5:11 & Proverbs 28:24)
2.
We withdraw our fellowship and company from you until such a time as
you truly repent and
get right with God. (I Corinthians 5:11)
3.
I deliver you unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the
spirit may be
saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (I Corinthians 5:5)
--Pastor Samples